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Today i want to talk to you about pantone this is what i’m seeing all over the place people are freaking out pantone has left the building and it’s really not that big of a deal if you know how to maneuver the software you can get any color you want and we’re
Going to just strictly talk about pantone and adobe so i’ll show you illustrator i’m going to show you photoshop kind of how to work through these things i haven’t planned anything so it’ll it’s going to be a few extra clicks here and there to get to where i
Need to to show you how to do it but it’s easy anybody can do it Let’s jump right in if you’ve got any questions pop them in the comments i’ll answer them if you’ve got any answers pop them in the comments um we all love to learn from you uh this morning i don’t think we have as big of a class but
You know there’s a lot of things going on in the world um but i definitely appreciate you guys for showing up i’d love to know where you’re coming from uh where you’re watching i know we got jean jean’s in uh brooklyn right is that what it is uh so let me know
So first things first i’m going to share my screen here and i’m going to take a step away from my computer to grab my swatch book so i wasn’t super super prepared this morning but while i grab those throw in the comments where you’re watching this from
I appreciate it so i’m looking at uncoded i’m going to share my screen here and we’re going to get ready all right we got brooklyn in the house we got new york where in new york are you yes tram what is up how are you texas everything’s big in texas right nancy
All right we’re going to go right into this screen i’m going to share it here cool illustrator all right so we’ve got created this document right let’s say we want to make this square a pantone color so just like anything else we’re going to go down here you’ve already got your swatches so
You’ve got your typical swatches happening here these are all just the generic ones first thing i always do is go in uh select all unused i haven’t used anything so everything’s gonna be deleted get rid of that stuff that’s garbage let’s say we want to pick a color in the
Middle here open up our swatch book we’ve got open swatch library you’ve got color books you get your pantone so it’s not that pantone has left adobe it’s that pantone isn’t releasing anything on adobe other than their basic colors which they announced a week ago but this
Has been coming for a while we’ve known this is coming they not only announced a few a few weeks ago or a week ago they’ve just released a whole new batch of colors so they say we’re not going we’re not going to be in adobe everybody gets freaked out and then they
Go here’s a whole new batch of colors and you know now that these new colors are not going to be in any of the adobe software so you’re prompted to they want you to download their app well the pantone app at the moment is horrible i think it has half star rating
It drags the entire workflow it slows everything down so you can either jump on there and do that or not i’m choosing not to until this app actually works but we’ll take a look so you still have pantone colors in here i’ve got a uncoded swatch book that i’m looking at
It’s all uncoded so you get this little window here you’re all pretty familiar with this at this point i should be able to pick up any color here i’ve got 1635 i’m just going to type it in here 1635. there it is there’s a lot of colors that aren’t in there
This is the new formula guide it’s i think last year’s so these colors may not be in there i’m not going to hunt through and find which ones don’t exist let’s just assume that there’s a color that doesn’t exist that looks just like 1635. all right so if i wanted this center to
Be 1635 i would click that it’s 1635 you can go into window separations preview you get this window here you can see excuse me if i go over print preview you can see if i hide this 1635 it hides that color so i know that i’ve got a swatch color if for example
This color was um for color process then your 1635 is no longer here if i hide the cyan you’re gonna see this color start shifting you know there’s a little bit of yellow in there there’s yellow there’s magenta i can hide those two and then you can see that
There’s nothing in there right so this is a four color version of that so if you’re printing your production facility is going to have four plates for this color or if you had the center of this chosen as 1635 they’re gonna have just one plate for
That because if i had my four color process here it’s just one plate difference here is cost uh color consistency if you’re printing a huge sheet in this four color version of 1635 you’re going to get banding you’re going to get some areas that are going
To be a little bit yellower a little bit more magenta it’s a little bit harder to control on a big flood coat so what you want is you just want them to load one ink into the machine and have that be what’s printed you’re not going to get banding or anything like
That because it’s just the same color if anything you may get a little bit less intensity or density in one area versus another but that’s something that’s easy to control so we’re picking a color that is not 1635 that is sort of pink so how do we do that um
First things first let me hide this black we don’t need that muddying anything up turn on my four color process here we’re gonna zoom in so we can just look at this color i’ve got a color that looks like 1635. i’ve got a swatch book that has the color that i’m looking for
Or if i’ve got you know a different swatch book this is a white craft flexoprinting book and this yellow for example is gcmi 10. right that’s not a that’s not a pantone color so if i wanted whatever color it was whether i pulled it off of like let’s say this cover here
This is where the flexibility comes in so i got the new gd usa magazine let’s say we want this color here which just happens to be pretty close to 1635 so i want this color i can cut this swatch out and i can send this to the manufacturer i can send this
To my production facility i’m going to go ahead and go into my swatches i’m going to create a whole new swatch i’m going to call this my dog is down here groaning so we got i’m going to call this gd usa go into process color call this a spot color
Color mode you want to keep that in cmyk you can go to you know rgb lab you can but let’s keep it cmyk because that way you can control a little bit better this color now is a spot color a pantone is a spot color it’s just an identifier
So what you can do with this gdosa is again you can cut this watch out you can send it to the manufacturer that’s the color that i’m trying to achieve if we look in our separations we can hide our four color process that guy’s still there so you’re only outputting one
Plate if for example there’s a color in here in the swatch book that is 1636 but it’s not in adobe you can just go ms 16 36 select it so it shows up here is pms pms1636 what that’s going to do is your printer your manufacturer is going to go
And grab their pantone book they don’t know if pantone is in adobe they don’t care they just need a reference so they’re going to go into this book find 1636 they’re going to mix that color um and i’m not looking at the right color but let’s say you know it’s
I’m looking at purple now so this is a 10.13 of medium purple it’s 2.5 2.15 of black and 87 of transparent white they’re gonna mix it up based on this so what’s on your computer doesn’t really matter what’s on your computer is more of an identifier this is the
Gps coordinates of the color that i want you to look at and match to um you know they’re going to go back to this if they’re a smaller printer they may go to a ink manufacturer and say oh we need 1636 he makes us a batch of 1636 that’s
All that’s all that’s doing the one of the biggest questions and comments that i get here um regarding pantone is that if you’ve got two uncoded books side by side same year same everything you might get 1636 in both books that don’t even match each other these are just references visual
References this is not bible this is this is generally what it’s going to look like but what does not change is the mix of inks that go into it so what you actually get back from production might be a little bit different than this so again it doesn’t matter if it’s in
The software or not the whole thing is just to create your own swatch that you can identify as the color that way in production they’re outputting one plate for your color and if you’ve got six different colors it doesn’t matter that way you’re outputting six different plates specific
To the color that you need and go about it that way i know it seems super simple but i’ve seen a lot of people really stressed about pantone leaving adobe but at the end of the day it doesn’t matter it doesn’t make a big difference you’re still able to pick a color you
Actually have more freedom and like i’ve said i think this is a great opportunity for you to start playing with creating your own swatches and then moving into lab and learning a little bit about that as a whole new way to look at color it’s going to require a little bit of
Hardware and a little bit of a mind shift just like here on these we can specify what this is we can find out what this lab color is then just plot the coordinates into adobe illustrator photoshop whatever that point you can send those color coordinates to your printer without necessarily having
To send them a swatch they can dial it in based on that so it gives you a lot of um gives you a lot of flexibility here so your favorite cmrk swatch book uh process made accommodation pre-press printing that’s a great that’s a great book it
Gives you a lot um there’s a lot of information in that one as well definitely check that out i’ll put the link in here if you can’t forget it on her comment use that panto actually does a favor because pms watches never match on my screen um
You know that’s uh that’s a great point you’ve got you know what what you see on your pantone in your panto books and never matches what’s on screen everybody’s screen is a little bit different you can still dial it in uh if you’re working with a printer that’s like you know
Gradle seven or however it is that they’re set up and they’ve fingerprinted their equipment it’s still gonna look different um so this gives you you know definitely gives you some flexibility stefano yep they’re printed uh in dry offset so if you print plex or viewer the recipe is not applicable
So again it’s the same uh it goes back to the same thing you’re you’re not going to this color you’re really giving the factory direction of where you want to go so again this is a great opportunity to move away from the dependency on pantone so we’ll see how this thing shapes out
I did say i’ve got photoshop on here to do this as well to be honest with you i have not done this in photoshop in forever but we can do the try or if you guys kind of have an idea on on if you have any questions on illustrator let’s go through these
Um let’s go through any of your questions so lyle have you used have you created your own swatches in um in illustrator before or have any of you guys created your own swatches in illustrator before i’m kind of stalling because honestly i can’t even remember how to do this stuff
In illustrator it’s been so in a photoshop it’s been so long since i’ve used photoshop but we can do this really quick here so i’m going to create a new layer i’m going to throw in this green which is a four color green it’s down here this is funny i think i might
Embarrass myself here um i got a new mouse i got this new logitech mx everywhere and it does not feel it doesn’t feel great um what do we got here l yes always i usually work in cmyk and pick a peace watch after the clients approve the concept just so they know
Exactly one thing i do recommend lll brings a great point is you design then you can go back and pick the color when you do pick a color one thing that’s important and again this is part of just production in general is you know you might get this color here
You might request this color 2192 but when you go to production when you go into manufacturing it’s important to request a range board right because you’re going to get a light version of that you’re going to get a dark version of that and hopefully you’re going to get a lot of them in
In target because you want your client to approve the range will they accept the lighter version of it will they accept the darker version it’s not a matter of will they it’s they’re going to get it in production so you got to make sure that they’re signing off on that
Otherwise they can’t make a claim and say your color doesn’t match what you promised because clients don’t necessarily know that you’re going to get that range in production i always makes my own so that the screen matches the pms book color are you saying you mix your own ink in
Brooklyn and then you ship it to production what do you talk about gene or do you create your own cmyk version there’s a lot of people moving to digital it just really depends on kind of where you’re at in packaging or production there’s a lot of offset there’s a lot of flexo
Digital gives you a little bit of a better it reduces your timeline to match color uh it’s not necessarily better because you’re able to get a proof off the actual press that’s going to run it pretty quick you can fine tune you can adjust you can adjust on the fly there’s
A lot of flexibility there there’s a lot of software in there if you wanted to print you know an entire swatch a whole swatch book uh with varying ranges you can do that you can you know there’s just so much stuff that happens there um yeah we’re we’re gonna start our own
Comedy show we got okay your own spot color name yep exactly it’s the best way to do it you just you mix your you mix your own you create your own you label it and send that to production don’t you know pantone’s awesome and they’ve done a great job in getting us
To this point i’m getting everybody on the same page in design and setting expectation but i think from now on as we move forward there’s a lot of other ways to do this i’ve got this green thing up here um let’s see and my workspace isn’t isn’t set up properly here but
Let’s take a look um yeah this has been a long time so i’ve done this not color why can’t i remember it’s not um swatches either got your you’ve got all this channels that’s what i’m looking for i’m looking for my channels see that’s how long it’s been since i’ve
Done anything in photoshop um so in photoshop right you’ve you’ve got the screen you’ve got your four color process here same thing we’re going to create a whole new one then this is your alpha channel we’re going to name this ms one two three four whatever that pms color is that you’re doing
Um it’s not a selected it’s not a masked area it’s a selected area it’s a spot color you’re gonna pick you know whatever that color looks like again you’re not specifying lab you’re not specifically at cmyk it’s just a color to identify the area that you’re doing this um
You’re going here 100 solidity this isn’t that you’re creating if we were to go to 50 um this is not like it’s not opacity it’s not that you’re going to get translucency here this is just what it looks like on screen then whatever you select
So like for example if we were to do that it’s going to look black everything else is turned off if we turn this on it’s going to look like the proper color visually these colors are coming together to show you what this looks like because this gives you the overall
Visual but really you’re creating one plate here this yellow is here because it was green before so we’re going to go back in we can grab you know go here we can delete we’re going to go back to layers here deleting that so there’s nothing on this
Layer you can see that layer is empty come here it’s only in the spot channel so that’s how you do it um same thing just click create you know if we wanted to add a u on here because we’re working in u that’s how you do it and super easy
You haven’t done it forever and i just remembered and took a second um let’s name your own colors forget pantone pink will be flamingo you know i think the yellow will be school bus just like the front uh the intro here so again super easy way to create colors uh pantone is
Just a map it’s not the destination right that’s pretty good i just came up with that um it just it just plots out where you’re going and it gets somebody else to the same place but it’s not what you’re focused on it’s not the goal just like you’ve got
Uncoated and coated the color’s going to look different on every substrate i just spoke to somebody on the podcast i spoke to michael fisher from rotten gummy worms they wanted to do super sustainable packaging and what they did was they selected they had this beautiful artwork laid out beautifully grotesque and what they
Wanted was to use compostable paper well when they put their inks on this compostable paper the color shifted completely because it just absorbed the paper differently light reflected off of it differently it didn’t have the appropriate sheen compared to what they had proofed so there’s a lot of things that happen
That can affect your color so even if they mixed to this color and the paper was a little bit different than what the paper that this is printed on it’s not going to match so again your swatch book your colors that you’re selecting on screen are just a guide to get you there
That’s just the first step everything else happens after the fact talk to your manufacturer get proof get light medium dark tolerance range um and go from there so guys it’s friday it’s september 9th we’re going to wrap up here if you have any questions throw them in here
Stefano i definitely want to talk to you further on lab and changing colors and kind of what the next step is for designers beyond pantone because i think this is a good thing this is a great opportunity to start really designing for color without pantone as a crutch
So we’ll see how that kind of shapes out and i think again if designers change i think pantone might decide to go back to adobe or adobe you might pick something up other than that i’d say the last thing i throw out there has nothing to do with color just something that’s been
On my mind has been ai we’ve been seeing a lot new ai things happening out there what’s the lore pen heavy the paper swatch book is kind of useless for color matching unless you have the online pantone license no great question so you can have this the colors in here
Are not all going to be in pantone i’m sorry in adobe so when you go into the adobe swatch book in illustrator the color that you want that’s in here may not be listed in there so you have to create your own swatch book you have to create your own swatch for
The color that you want you can name it whatever you want as i showed so if you if you want for example this light blue that is 2706 and it is not in illustrator you just create your own swatch for a blue it doesn’t have to look
Exactly like this color when you create an illustrator or photoshop you just have to name it 2706 pms 2706 pantone 2706 if you’re looking at the coded version 2706 c uncoded 2706 you when that file gets to the printer and you’ve done it properly where you’ve
Selected it as a as a spot color so that that plate separates from four color process and you only get one plate for that color for all the artwork that is that color the printer can now pull up their book see the mix see the recipe you know 3.8
Medium purple 1.63 of black and then 94 transparent white they can mix that up put it on that plate it’ll match the pantone book the only reason that you want pantone in illustrator is because it just makes it makes you have one step less you can pull up their
Swatch book click on their color and it creates a swatch a spot color swatch but you can do that yourself so this is not anything to panic about it’s super easy so great question laura you don’t have to have the online pantone license um and really their online app
From pantone is free to use it’s just not great and it really kind of sucks to have multiple apps that you have to use in order to do this you don’t need it you can do it all on your own um so glad that makes sense just the last thing you know
As we’re talking about like as just i just mentioned there’s a lot of things happening in ai there’s a there’s a website out there it’s called it’s called github they help um developers do you know websites and all this all this other stuff they’ve been collecting all the data
From all the developers that are using it and what they’re doing now is they’ve they’re launching a new product that allows you to kind of create the website and it does all the code for you based on all the data they’ve collected and nobody has
Said yeah you can use all of our data to use this ai to essentially eliminate our our jobs um excuse me so one of the things that you know as we start moving into these different apps if you’re using the pantone app they’ll be able to see you know this isn’t like
Um controversial or uh i’m not looking for conspiracies or anything like that it’s just kind of the way that these apps work is they collect your data so if everybody in new york is picking a specific round of blue or a specific type of pink during this season they’ll
Be able to launch out you know be able to tell us like these are the colors that are trending and actually have a better idea um yeah there’s like there’s like mid journey there’s all sorts of stuff that are happening out there but you know we just have to think about
Like what what we’re allowing to be collected and if we truly want to be original and do our own thing or do you want to follow these trends that are being pulled from different data points um i don’t know there’s just a lot to think about as we start creating these things
I know um again this isn’t like q anon conspiracy it’s just just think about what you’re allowing these apps to collect as a designer and just as an industry there’s a lot that can there’s a lot of things that can happen that can either help eliminate your job or ways that you
Can kind of look at mid-journey and these other things as ways to help your job i know i’ve thrown in requests for different logos in there i’ve thrown in requests for different design patterns in there and i get back like five or six different new ideas
Maybe i hadn’t thought of so i can use those as a starting off point it’s not something that you want to be fearful of just be thoughtful of and how you can incorporate that into your workflow without kind of giving up your own originality so that’s it for me guys um
Any questions throw them in here i’ll be on here all day i’m happy to answer them stefano has a ton of information he is a wealth of knowledge so he can definitely answer anything if you guys have any questions as well i appreciate you stepping up beyond here i
Appreciate you gene i appreciate all of you uh being on here lyle uh tram thanks so much and um we’ll see you next week next week i’ll be uh i’ll be doing the class from where will it be i’ll be in barcelona that’ll be awesome i’ll do an espanol all right guys
I’ll see you thanks so much You